Conversation with spacenoogy at 2005-12-30 09:06:50 on Jizzbug (aim)
(09:07:03) Jizzbug: Do you have your computer's IAX client running?
(09:10:31) spacenoogy: nay
(09:15:28) Jizzbug: Cool. I just tried to call the second floor, just to test... I guess when no clients are connected, it just drops your call if the call group is empty.
(09:16:20) Jizzbug: Not very elegant, to say the least. I imagine it should default to the "no answer" option for that call group if no extensions are logged in.
(09:17:49) Jizzbug: I got the processor and RAM today for the computer that is sitting in pieces on my bed. It actually came yesterday...
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(09:46:35) spacenoogy: what's its job? this is the one that dave gave you, right?
(09:53:03) Jizzbug: it's job is "another computer"
(09:53:14) Jizzbug: he gave me the motherboard, but I've bought everything else.
(09:54:07) spacenoogy: hahah
(09:54:11) spacenoogy: how you feeling?
(09:54:14) Jizzbug: medicated
(09:54:21) Jizzbug: but at least I'm still contagious
(09:54:52) spacenoogy: well then it's a good thing you're spending so much time downstairs, it wouldn't make any sense to be contagious around people who are already sick.
(09:55:07) Jizzbug: i'm at work
(09:55:21) spacenoogy: well i know. them too.
(09:55:37) spacenoogy: gotta spread the love
(10:01:14) spacenoogy: as GroupX would say... holy crapshit!
(10:02:03) Jizzbug: Holy crapshit about what?
(10:02:19) spacenoogy: i get to hang out with Tony the Unavailable this evening
(10:03:52) spacenoogy: looks like we're doing a geocache
(10:03:53) Jizzbug: That's cool. He should learn Asterisk, too... What with being a call center manager and all, can't hurt to be able to say you can setup the entire call center on your resume.
(10:04:04) Jizzbug: really? that's cool. i've always wanted to do that.
(10:04:40) spacenoogy: me too. how can you not enjoy combining rompin' in the woods with a primitive tricorder.
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(13:18:47) Jizzbug: I just realized... But the PBX will probably cut down on telemarketers.
(13:19:04) spacenoogy: hahahaha
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(15:37:51) spacenoogy: the voip server won't send or receive calls for my account ... and the livingroom phone has no dialtone
(15:39:04) Jizzbug: damn
(15:39:18) spacenoogy: console says Power alarm on module, resetting
(15:40:25) Jizzbug: I think Voxee is down... And last night NuFone stopped routing calls for some reason so I made Voxee the default outbound trunk... If Voxee fails, it should cycle over to NuFone, then if NuFone fails it should cycle to POTS (McLeodUSA).
(15:41:28) Jizzbug: The living room phone is not hooked up anymore (I ran that extension downstairs with a CAT3 cable last night).
(15:41:44) spacenoogy: i mean the one sitting right next to the computer........ that one isn't hooked up?
(15:41:51) Jizzbug: Right.
(15:42:05) Jizzbug: That's definitely the living room phone. x1101
(15:42:21) Jizzbug: CID is "Upstairs Living Room"
(15:42:22) spacenoogy: i know you're learning something awesome, but uh. don't you think we need reliable phone service out of the house while you experiment?
(15:42:36) Jizzbug: naaaaah
(15:42:48) Jizzbug: hold on, lemme log in and see what's up...
(15:43:27) spacenoogy: it's not urgent, i wouldn't have known if scott hadn't tried to call for help with god knows what. but, still.
(15:44:05) Jizzbug: Does your computer ring when the second floor is dialed?
(15:44:29) spacenoogy: no. when i try to call out it says the server rejected the call.
(15:44:39) spacenoogy: tried restarting the client, no help there
(15:45:03) Jizzbug: Did you dial out with a 9?
(15:45:11) Jizzbug: When I dial the second floor, it just hangs up on me.
(15:45:54) spacenoogy: just realized, i was trying 1101 which would fail since it's not logged in
(15:46:03) Jizzbug: right
(15:46:21) Jizzbug: 1100 is now that port on the back of the computer
(15:46:40) spacenoogy: but i'm logged in and just called out. so, i guess it's just incoming calls that are hozed.
(15:46:42) Jizzbug: try calling my cell phone 99136205940
(15:47:23) spacenoogy: izzat ringing or do i need the 1
(15:48:15) Jizzbug: You shouldn't need the 1, Asterisk will add it for you if the outgoing trunk needs it.
(15:48:36) spacenoogy: i just tried it with and without the 1 before the area code... let it ring about 5 or 6 times each try.
(15:48:46) Jizzbug: For 816 numbers, you don't need the 816 either. Asterisk will add it if the trunk requires it.
(15:49:01) Jizzbug: My cell phone never rang...
(15:51:53) spacenoogy: calling 1001 brought me a "user is on the phone" message
(15:54:32) Jizzbug: That's because Jessica's extension isn't setup yet.
(15:54:36) Jizzbug: Dial 1000, which is me.
(15:54:44) Jizzbug: My computer should start ringing (if the client didn't die).
(15:55:08) Jizzbug: Actually, Jessica's extension is setup... But her laptop is probably off.
(15:55:48) spacenoogy: no ringing from your computer... after 3 rings i got your VM (user unavailable)
(15:56:23) spacenoogy: trying with the volume on... aha :)
(15:56:33) spacenoogy: i just didn't hear it cuz your volume was all the way down.
(15:56:38) Jizzbug: the client must be disconnected... wifi on that box is so flaky, I think A) the airlink sucks ass, and B) too many walls
(15:56:42) Jizzbug: Oh, right... haha
(15:57:52) Jizzbug: Each extension only rings for 15 seconds before voice mail... Don't know if that's too short...
(15:59:58) Jizzbug: i'm going to restart Asterisk (not the whole box, just the daemon)
(16:01:24) Jizzbug: dang... it still hangs up on 2nd floor
(16:01:39) spacenoogy: hrmph
(16:01:47) spacenoogy: maybe the clients have to be restarted
(16:01:59) spacenoogy: try now
(16:03:22) spacenoogy: and, 20 or 25 seconds might be better... 3 rings isn't much time to pass a bowl, step over dirty clothes, watch out for kittens, and such
(16:03:39) spacenoogy: whoops
(16:03:45) spacenoogy: single click answers - double click hangs up
(16:03:57) spacenoogy: but, i guess that means it works
(16:04:01) Jizzbug: yup
(16:05:13) Jizzbug: Try downloading Idefisk
(16:05:20) Jizzbug: It's another iax client
(16:05:55) Jizzbug: I put it on Jessica's laptop, it's pretty neato. Doesn't seem as clunky as iaxComm, but uses the same libiaxclient library.
(16:07:51) Jizzbug: The problem was that I had deleted the "Upstairs Living Room" extension last night when I ran the cable for Jessica and Alexis' "Downstairs Living Room" extension... But I left "1101" in the Call Group #2. So apparently when you have an invalid extension in a call group (not just one that is valid but not logged in), it just hangs up on you instead of ignoring that one extension and ringing the rest.
(16:08:08) spacenoogy: huh
(16:08:19) spacenoogy: free software sucks. ;) j/k
(16:08:47) Jizzbug: Last night I only tested call group #1 after running Jessica's line.
(16:13:50) Jizzbug: If we keep our POTS line, we can participate in this: http://www.fwdout.net/web/
(16:20:18) Jizzbug: Do you remember the other thing Asterisk did last night which wasn't graceful? I wanna make sure I get this stuff into their Bugzilla.
(16:20:49) Jizzbug: There was another stupid-headed error condition I ran into last night... Just can't remember..
(16:20:57) spacenoogy: i dunno, it's 4:20, think you could help jog my memory? ;)
(16:21:03) Jizzbug: haha
(16:21:18) spacenoogy: << trying to remember, but the only thing that comes to mind was just dropping calls if no client was logged in
(16:21:58) spacenoogy: didn't it also drop a call when you selected an ext that wasn't connected?
(16:22:01) Jizzbug: What was that one? Not the ring group thing we just fixed?
(16:22:17) Jizzbug: I think it forwards to voice mail with "extension unavailable".
(16:22:18) spacenoogy: i don't remember really, just repeating what i vaguely remmeber you saying
(16:22:30) spacenoogy: that's what it is doing now, i tried yours a bit ago
(16:22:50) Jizzbug: it hangs up if extension isn't logged in?
(16:23:00) spacenoogy: no, it goes to VM now. so, nevermind :)
(16:23:32) spacenoogy: i guess i may be having trouble dialing out, let me try you again
(16:24:21) spacenoogy: yeah, nothing happens when i dial out
(16:24:22) Jizzbug: no ringy
(16:24:44) spacenoogy: after about 45 seconds it finally says all circuits are busy now.
(16:25:03) spacenoogy: sounded like the asterisk server's voice
(16:25:19) Jizzbug: let me add the POTS line to the outgoing trunks
(16:27:01) Jizzbug: Okay, now the POTS line is first, followed by NuFone, then Voxee.
(16:27:05) Jizzbug: Try calling me again.
(16:27:31) spacenoogy: ringing?
(16:27:44) Jizzbug: I used to have the POTS line last so we could still receive incoming calls if someone was dialing out.
(16:27:48) Jizzbug: nope
(16:27:55) spacenoogy: not getting your VM either
(16:27:59) spacenoogy: but it's ringing here
(16:28:08) Jizzbug: 9136205940?
(16:28:11) spacenoogy: 99136205940
(16:28:20) Jizzbug: weird
(16:28:27) spacenoogy: trying with a comma
(16:28:49) Jizzbug: try 913-643-2454
(16:28:57) Jizzbug: comma shouldn't matter
(16:29:48) spacenoogy: ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring
(16:29:56) Jizzbug: hang up
(16:30:03) spacenoogy: did
(16:30:07) Jizzbug: let me know about 2 seconds before you start dialing
(16:30:22) spacenoogy: calling 99136432454 in about 2 seconds
(16:30:34) spacenoogy: ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring
(16:30:55) spacenoogy: hung up
(16:31:07) Jizzbug: it must not be going out over the POTS line because I can call in while you're calling out
(16:31:28) Jizzbug: Did you do that?
(16:31:28) spacenoogy: hrmph, volume on this client doesn't work either.......
(16:31:33) spacenoogy: hang up? no
(16:31:43) Jizzbug: How did it hang up on us?
(16:31:54) spacenoogy: it said "call ended (normal cleaning)" in the status bar when it hung up
(16:33:50) Jizzbug: Asterisk won't route long distance calls over ZAP/g0 (the POTS interface) but it's the first trunk the outgoing sequence and should dial 913, 816 and 911
(16:37:35) Jizzbug: I'm gonna restart asterisk again, unless you say otherwise.
(16:37:45) spacenoogy: go for it
(16:38:17) Jizzbug: try calling my cell again, hopefully it uses ZAP/g0 this time.
(16:38:58) spacenoogy: ringing
(16:39:25) Jizzbug: Maybe I should remove the IAX2 trunks for NuFone and Voxee from the outgoing routes.
(16:39:38) Jizzbug: It seems to be using those over the POTS line
(16:39:48) spacenoogy: hrm
(16:40:37) Jizzbug: okay, now pots is the only thing in the trunk sequence
(16:40:56) spacenoogy: trying again
(16:41:16) spacenoogy: nada?
(16:41:29) Jizzbug: I could still call in.
(16:41:37) Jizzbug: I should get a busy if it dials out over that line.
(16:41:50) spacenoogy: so it's not even trying, but it thinks it is
(16:43:18) Jizzbug: Can you open the Flash Operator Panel and see where it's trying to route the call?
(16:43:25) spacenoogy: k
(16:43:26) Jizzbug: FOP keeps crashing my Firefox.
(16:44:08) spacenoogy: trunks from top to bottom: Zap 1, Zap 4, Voxee, NuFone
(16:44:28) Jizzbug: right. Zap 4 is the POTS line.
(16:44:51) Jizzbug: Zap 1 is Jessica/Alexis' extension, it shouldn't be listed as a trunk, but I don't know why FOP does
(16:45:39) Jizzbug: It did try to send a call out over Zap 1 once last night, which it shouldn't have tried to do... I couldn't get it to hang up Zap 1 so had to reboot the whole box.
(16:45:50) spacenoogy: hmmmmm
(16:46:16) spacenoogy: maybe it's still failing to reset the pots lines
(16:46:23) Jizzbug: What does FOP say?
(16:46:40) Jizzbug: I can call in, so the POTS line is getting reset
(16:46:45) spacenoogy: about what? :) looks the same as it did before
(16:46:45) Jizzbug: Last night I couldn't call in.
(16:46:48) spacenoogy: oh
(16:46:54) Jizzbug: Place a call and watch it dance.
(16:47:00) Jizzbug: Tell me how it dances.
(16:47:43) spacenoogy: i hung up
(16:47:47) spacenoogy: cuz i can't hear you :)
(16:47:50) spacenoogy: but it's on zap4
(16:47:57) Jizzbug: You head set sucks ass?
(16:48:08) spacenoogy: well i can't have both the headset and the speaker pluggedin at the same time
(16:48:24) spacenoogy: and i don't want to constantly race to plug in the speaker on the headset, every time a call comes in
(16:48:29) Jizzbug: The volume was pretty load yesterday on your box.
(16:48:46) spacenoogy: in order to do that i have to turn it up so high that everything else wakes up the alaskans
(16:48:59) Jizzbug: hmm... ah
(16:49:45) Jizzbug: Volume in Idefisk worked ever so slightly last night on Jessica's laptop last night.
(16:49:59) spacenoogy: hm
(16:50:01) Jizzbug: There's gotta be a really, really, really good softphone out there that we don't know about.
(16:50:08) Jizzbug: (yet)
(16:55:34) Jizzbug: http://www.xtremenetworks.biz/e-phone.htm
(17:01:36) spacenoogy: extraordinarily sucky
(17:01:51) spacenoogy: stupid nonstandard gui can't handle large fonts
(17:02:22) Jizzbug: https://www.virbiage.com/cubix.php
(17:03:13) Jizzbug: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-WebIAX
(17:04:23) Jizzbug: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+IAX+clients
(17:05:52) Jizzbug: http://iaxtalk.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=7&zenid=d33433a8e0f7a9705a7c0ca0a2c1ef9a
(17:08:00) Jizzbug: Cubix looks good, but I can't install it here.
(17:10:08) Jizzbug: You might have better luck a SIP softphone, but I'll have to change your extension from an IAX2 to a SIP extension.
(17:10:18) Jizzbug: luck a = luck with a
(17:10:37) spacenoogy: once the experimentation is over will it be possible to just use a plain old phone connected to a plain old phone line?
(17:10:51) Jizzbug: After more equipment is purchased.
(17:11:14) Jizzbug: You wanna buy one o' these for yourself: https://www.discountvoipoutlet.com/store/product.php?productid=22&cat=3&page=1
(17:11:19) spacenoogy: no i don't
(17:13:24) spacenoogy: i'm extremely un-thrilled about the idea that our phone is going to impinge on our network bandwidth, that we are going to spend extra money in order to provide local dialout to hobbyists, and that i have to spend money in order to use a phone where the incoming sound cannot be made private without pulling my computer out from the wall and changing what's plugged into my audio jack. i'm kind of just being cranky but i'm definitely far, far from being interested in this costing additional money
(17:14:16) spacenoogy: i mean, it's nifty we can run a ton of phones off an old linux box for 1.1 cent a minute, don't get me wrong.
(17:14:30) spacenoogy: and niftier that you will know how to do it well
(17:14:31) Jizzbug: you like your panties in bunches, eh?
(17:15:14) spacenoogy: i like to know that when the little wire is plugged into the little phone and someone calls the house, a phone is going to ring. and i don't like paying for internet and then having to turn data apps off in order to get decent use out of the phone.
(17:15:17) Jizzbug: I never said anything about spending money on hobbyists...
(17:15:51) spacenoogy: oh. i assumed when you said that keeping our POTS line would let other people call out from us, that you were thinking of actually doing that.
(17:16:56) Jizzbug: If you read that page, it said we could get free calls to anywhere in the world if we participated in the "napster"-like network of Asterisk servers. It would save us money if we called anywhere besides the US... And I'm mostly sent you the link because it was interesting technically.
(17:17:31) Jizzbug: But you can be all grumpy about it if you like.
(17:17:45) spacenoogy: we don't have a usable phone in the house.
(17:18:05) Jizzbug: And you only have to turn down your data apps till I get traffic control setup (whenever that is).
(17:18:07) spacenoogy: once we do, it's still going to be inferior because we have to run client software and diddle with plugs in order to take a call.
(17:18:33) Jizzbug: like i said, you can be grumpy about it, if you like
(17:18:42) Jizzbug: you should say the same thing again
(17:18:45) Jizzbug: and again
(17:19:16) spacenoogy: better to be grumpy than dismissive and insulting.
(17:20:30) Jizzbug: Anyways, it hasn't even been 24 hours with the thing.
(17:20:34) spacenoogy: if you want to have inordinate say over what gets done with household resources maybe you should opt to pay a majority of the bills instead of splitting it evenly. then, when i don't like what you're doing to the internet or the phone, you can reply with, "well i'm paying the lions' share, i get my say."
(17:20:50) Jizzbug: And I was planning on purchasing more equipment that will unbunch panties (without me having to touch them).
(17:21:02) spacenoogy: now, i didn't say that seriously, but, maybe you see my point.
(17:21:33) Jizzbug: And then when you're late on rent, I get to sleep in your bed, too. ;)
(17:21:38) spacenoogy: i guess i just didn't realize that you were going to roll this out household-wide without perfecting it or giving any warning.
(17:22:15) Jizzbug: Well, you have to beta test to perfect... You had plenty of warning. I even missed my deadline of Christmas. So whatever, just be grumpy but leave me out of it.
(17:22:26) Jizzbug: You make me grumpy too and I don't like those emotions....
(17:22:58) Jizzbug: I need to buy up to two more of these: http://www.openvox.com.cn/products.php?genre_id=12
(17:23:05) spacenoogy: if there was a better way to say that, it didn't occur to me
(17:26:23) spacenoogy: but i wish you'd have tried not to be so insulting and dismissive.
(17:27:09) Jizzbug: whatever dude, ya don't rag like a lil' biznatch and expect it not to offend.
(17:27:27) Jizzbug: You could say, "Hey, when will things settle down and we have a real phone again." And I would have said, "A few days."
(17:27:47) Jizzbug: But you ragged like a bitch like you often do... It's just your personality I guess and it rubs me the wrong wray.
(17:30:40) spacenoogy: i really appreciate that every time i have any kind of dispute to talk out with you, it changes my gender and quality of person. really.
(17:31:11) spacenoogy: i mean jeeze derek.
(17:31:37) Jizzbug: i mean jeeeze nathan
(17:32:18) Jizzbug: Sorry you missed Scott's call. That's all I can say, I guess.
(17:33:57) Jizzbug: I mean, shit... If you think about it, you're the only one in the house with a phone right now (because you have a mic). What better motivation do I have to get us a phone if I'm the one without a phone?
(17:34:45) Jizzbug: So we'll have a phone and it will be all good... And on top of it all, your computer can still be a really shitty phone if ever you like.
(17:34:56) spacenoogy: i'm sure you're motivated to finish the project. and i'm not trying to have a prolonged disagreement. since my first comment was an onslaught of complaints, i see why you didn't like it.
(17:35:02) Jizzbug: And I'm just annoyed 'cause I've been at work...
(17:35:36) Jizzbug: And then I was happy to get home and I felt like you were complaining about me and what I'd done.... So I was irritated and I type too fast.
(17:36:15) spacenoogy: well you're sick too. plus last night when you told me you were making it a full switch and disabling the POTS phone, i was vaguely pissy. mainly because i was about to complain but felt too tired to bother you about it then.
(17:36:33) spacenoogy: but vague pissiness is not a pleasant thing to receive no matter how mild the motivation.
(17:36:36) Jizzbug: You were about to complain about what?
(17:37:09) Jizzbug: I noticed the pissiness. You're often vaguely pissy, it's just you, your gender is always somewhere inbetween... I just do a better job of ignoring it most of the time.
(17:37:24) spacenoogy: about the fact that i'm the only person in the house with a phone, and a poopy one at that :)
i started seeing the sceneario where incoming calls for you and greta cause me not only to have to kill shareaza but also leave my computer.
(17:37:28) Jizzbug: Yeah, and this morning's medication has worn off, so I feel more like shit.
(17:38:37) spacenoogy: since we're reconciling this, i'll let you get away with the more-or-less accurate comment that i have both male and female personality traits. if i was in a better mood i'd take it as a compliment :)
(17:39:20) spacenoogy: yea yeah, and now you're sitting there all "let me get away huh, you don't let me do shit, i do whatever, motherfuckinbitch."
(17:39:26) spacenoogy: ;)
(17:40:36) spacenoogy: tony is on his way to pick me up but i'm going to make him sit his ass down till you get here. you and i need to smoke a bowl more now than 20 minutes ago... and i needed it pretty bad 20 minutes ago.
(17:43:33) Jizzbug: I guess I'm leavin' the office now... I think I'm the last one here.
(17:43:50) Jizzbug: Dafe Hughes called saying he would be coming over. He may get there before me.
(17:44:26) Jizzbug: I need to take more NyQuil tablets as soon as I get home...
(17:44:33) Jizzbug: This ain't no ordinary cold.
(17:44:36) spacenoogy: << was out smoking a cig
(17:44:42) spacenoogy: greta's here, no dafe yet
(17:45:13) spacenoogy: hey let's talk about greta over instant messages for a few minutes in case she comes in here >:) j/k... see you in a few
(17:45:17) Jizzbug: Huh, the dude I replaced here at DSI, Rich Edelman, just told me he may have somebody that wants to buy an Asterisk server.
(17:45:27) Jizzbug: Greta is so fuckin' hot!
(17:45:28) spacenoogy: fuckin a
(17:45:34) Jizzbug: I'd fuck her in a second.
(17:45:50) spacenoogy: i'd fuck her in a bed.
(17:45:54) Jizzbug: I'd put on that "Fuck Her Gently" song, you know the one I'm talkin' about.
(17:46:22) Jizzbug: i'd fuck her here, i'd fuck her there, i'd fuck her in a house or with a mouse
(17:46:32) Jizzbug: in a can... or in a pan...
(17:46:46) Jizzbug: i'd fuck her gently, sam i am
(17:46:56) Jizzbug: i'm fuckin' outta here.
(17:46:57) spacenoogy: she's watching TV in her room, you might as well come home :))